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Parks and Rec braces for upcoming closures: Fate of Green Lake Community Center and Evans Pool unknown

What do you think? (22 Comments) May 19, 2010 at 11:51AM

Here at My Green Lake, we really appreciate it when tipsters get in touch with us with news and information from around the neighborhood – thank you!

A couple of days ago, a note from Sheila really got our attention.

Evans Pool and Green Lake Community Center

Evans Pool and Green Lake Community Center

Sheila wrote that she had heard, via a pool employee, that Evans Pool, located at the Green Lake Community Center, would soon be closing, due to Parks and Rec budget cuts.

Yikes!

We followed up on this tip last night (May 18, 2010) at the Green Lake Community Center Advisory Council meeting.

Katie Gray, Seattle Parks and Recreation’s North Recreation Manager, was a guest at the meeting.  She spoke about the budget cuts and possible facility closures.

Gray was upfront and transparent.  She confirmed that it is very likely that some park facilities will soon be closed.   The budget cuts to Seattle Parks and Rec are enormous: $2.5M has been cut from the mid-year budget.   It would be impossible to meet this figure by simply trimming costs at all of the facilities.

It is not yet known, even by Parks staff and administration, which facilities will be closed. As soon as Parks administration does get this information, they will share it with staff, and the public should know very soon after that.

When will this happen?  Very soon.  Parks administration has already sent information about the implications of various closure scenarios to the Mayor’s Office.  Mayor McGinn will announce budget cut specifics by Tuesday, June 1, and the cuts will be in effect Thursday, July 1.  Yes, this means that some facilities may be closed by July 1.

Gray, however, was optimistic about the fate of park facilities.  She reported that the turn-out at the May 4 public hearing about the city budget was “flabbergasting” and that a message was sent loud and clear to City Council members and the Mayor: Seattlites love and need their parks.

However, even tougher times may be ahead.  The city is facing a shortfall of $60M in the 2011-12 budget.  Parks may be facing a 9.5-14% budget cut.

While the wheels are already in motion for the mid-year budget cuts, now is the time to show your support for parks in light of these larger cuts to come.  Gray encourages all park supporters to contact Seattle City Council and Mayor McGinn concerning the 2011-12 budget.

  • seattler0cks

    Inquiring minds wonder whether Evans Pool has ever been shut down for lack of funds over its 55 year life (the pool was constructed in 1955).

  • http://www.greenlakedragons.org Teacher

    This would be devastating to the Green Lake School community. We are the only elementary school that provides a swim program to our kids throughout the elementary years, thanks in large part to the help and cooperation of the Evans Pool. The swimming program is an essential component to our children's development and offers important safety and survival skills. I hope they make the right choice and allow this facility to continue to provide for our greater community.

  • mygreenlake

    Thanks for the query, seattler0cks, our fave inquiring mind. :)

    We put your question to Jeff Skinner, Green Lake Community Center Coordinator. Here is his response:

    “Neither the Community Center nor the Pool has ever been closed due to the budget. To my knowledge, no center or pool has ever been closed for that reason, with the possible exception of Collins Playfield on capitol hill which was out dated and due for closure. Facilities have shortened hours of operation however.”

    Thanks, Jeff!

    -amy

  • Green Laker Grrl

    It would be a bad move to shut down Green Lake as it's a major hub for everyone north of downtown. Think of how many people use that pool and the adjacent facilities. Young, old — and everyone in-between. I just can't imagine doing something so stupid as to shut it down. I'm guessing it provides Parks and Rec with a huge revenue.

    That said, if this was an issue, why would Green Lake continue to accept money for summer programs? I just signed my son up to the Summer Swim League that runs through August! Seems terribly unlikely.

  • seattler0cks

    Ha, I knew that would generate a detailed response! We know we're in challenging times, to be sure.

    I have no idea what the financial issues are regarding keeping these pools open, but it would be helpful to understand these to better understand if their are possible alternatives re: volunteers, contributions, reduced hours.

  • mygreenlake

    Thanks for your comment, Green Laker Grrl. I totally agree – shutting down the Green Lake Community Center and/or Evans Pool would be devastating not just for our neighborhood, but for all of North Seattle.

    From what I heard at the Community Center Advisory Council meeting, **nobody** at Parks and Rec knows which facilities will be shut down. Until the Mayor makes his announcement on June 1, it's really anybody's guess. :(

    All park facilities are still accepting program registrations for the summer. I did notice this note on the cover of the North Central Summer 2010 catalog:

    “Important Notice: The information listed in this brochure was developed based on levels of service approved in the 2010 budget. At the time of printing, the Mayor and City Council had not finished deliberations on mid-year budget reductions, so there may be changes. Please contact your local community center for updates.” [I assuming that means: "please contact your local community center after June 1 for updates"...]

    What a horrible situation, especially for families that are trying to plan their summers. :(

    Thanks again, Green Laker Grrl, and let's keep our fingers crossed that GLCC and Evans Pool will dodge the bullet on June 1.

    -amy
    my green lake

  • mygreenlake

    Hey seattler0cks,

    I've got a bit of info for you – not sure if it'll be helpful or not, but here goes:

    According to the staff of the community center and the pool, each of the facilities costs about $500K a year a run. While both bring in revenue, the pool brings in a bit more. I'm not sure about exact revenue figures.

    It's a great question re. volunteers, private contributions, and reduced hours. If I find out anything about any of these options, I'll be sure to share that information. I do know that, according to Katie Gray, Seattle Parks and Recreation’s North Recreation Manager, it would be impossible to simply trim the budget at all of the facilities, because of safety reasons (i.e. a certain level of service/maintenance needs to be maintained in order to keep the facilities safe).

    HTH,

    amy

  • seattler0cks

    I'll be sure to share that information. I do know that, according to Katie Gray, Seattle Parks and Recreation’s North Recreation Manager, it would be impossible to simply trim the budget at all of the facilities, because of safety reasons (i.e. a certain level of service/maintenance needs to be maintained in order to keep the facilities safe).

    I don't pretend to know the first thing about operating a city pool, but I have to believe that a pool that reduces its hours by, say, 50%, would see a reduction in operating costs because of the need for fewer staff, less maintenance, lower utility fees, etc, etc. And, of course, if volunteers can be used rather than paid staff in some areas, at least where liability issues aren't raised, there's an additional reduction. The city hasn't experienced this issue before, as far as I know, so it may be that there's little precedence for taking a closer look at what's possible.

  • mygreenlake

    Thanks for the query, seattler0cks, our fave inquiring mind. :)

    We put your question to Jeff Skinner, Green Lake Community Center Coordinator. Here is his response:

    “Neither the Community Center nor the Pool has ever been closed due to the budget. To my knowledge, no center or pool has ever been closed for that reason, with the possible exception of Collins Playfield on capitol hill which was out dated and due for closure. Facilities have shortened hours of operation however.”

    Thanks, Jeff!

    -amy

  • Green Laker Grrl

    It would be a bad move to shut down Green Lake as it's a major hub for everyone north of downtown. Think of how many people use that pool and the adjacent facilities. Young, old — and everyone in-between. I just can't imagine doing something so stupid as to shut it down. I'm guessing it provides Parks and Rec with a huge revenue.

    That said, if this was an issue, why would Green Lake continue to accept money for summer programs? I just signed my son up to the Summer Swim League that runs through August! Seems terribly unlikely.

  • seattler0cks

    Ha, I knew that would generate a detailed response! We know we're in challenging times, to be sure.

    I have no idea what the financial issues are regarding keeping these pools open, but it would be helpful to understand these to better understand if their are possible alternatives re: volunteers, contributions, reduced hours.

  • mygreenlake

    Thanks for your comment, Green Laker Grrl. I totally agree – shutting down the Green Lake Community Center and/or Evans Pool would be devastating not just for our neighborhood, but for all of North Seattle.

    From what I heard at the Community Center Advisory Council meeting, **nobody** at Parks and Rec knows which facilities will be shut down. Until the Mayor makes his announcement on June 1, it's really anybody's guess. :(

    All park facilities are still accepting program registrations for the summer. I did notice this note on the cover of the North Central Summer 2010 catalog:

    “Important Notice: The information listed in this brochure was developed based on levels of service approved in the 2010 budget. At the time of printing, the Mayor and City Council had not finished deliberations on mid-year budget reductions, so there may be changes. Please contact your local community center for updates.” [I assuming that means: "please contact your local community center after June 1 for updates"...]

    What a horrible situation, especially for families that are trying to plan their summers. :(

    Thanks again, Green Laker Grrl, and let's keep our fingers crossed that GLCC and Evans Pool will dodge the bullet on June 1.

    -amy
    my green lake

  • mygreenlake

    Hey seattler0cks,

    I've got a bit of info for you – not sure if it'll be helpful or not, but here goes:

    According to the staff of the community center and the pool, each of the facilities costs about $500K a year a run. While both bring in revenue, the pool brings in a bit more. I'm not sure about exact revenue figures.

    It's a great question re. volunteers, private contributions, and reduced hours. If I find out anything about any of these options, I'll be sure to share that information. I do know that, according to Katie Gray, Seattle Parks and Recreation’s North Recreation Manager, it would be impossible to simply trim the budget at all of the facilities, because of safety reasons (i.e. a certain level of service/maintenance needs to be maintained in order to keep the facilities safe).

    HTH,

    amy

  • seattler0cks

    I'll be sure to share that information. I do know that, according to Katie Gray, Seattle Parks and Recreation’s North Recreation Manager, it would be impossible to simply trim the budget at all of the facilities, because of safety reasons (i.e. a certain level of service/maintenance needs to be maintained in order to keep the facilities safe).

    I don't pretend to know the first thing about operating a city pool, but I have to believe that a pool that reduces its hours by, say, 50%, would see a reduction in operating costs because of the need for fewer staff, less maintenance, lower utility fees, etc, etc. And, of course, if volunteers can be used rather than paid staff in some areas, at least where liability issues aren't raised, there's an additional reduction. The city hasn't experienced this issue before, as far as I know, so it may be that there's little precedence for taking a closer look at what's possible.